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What is really being said here

November 19, 2010

White flight: Are parents running to less successful schools? | Get Schooled.

This is a scary story. Not because White kids are successful in school systems thought to be sub-standard. It is scary because of what it says very subtly. So what is wrong with the black students? Despite questionable leadership and despite less than qualified teachers, these kids succeed. With crumbling infrastructure the white students succeed. Add the black students to the equation, and the systems take a nose dive. The post mentioned nothing about the background of these students, who tested above the state average, other than their whiteness. I think we know what is being said, but PC will not even allow it to be touched.

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  1. Dekalbite
    December 1, 2010 at 12:54 am

    It’s discouraging. I’m a proponent of public schools and have always distrusted vouchers. To me they seem to be a way to gut the public school system and promote whatever values and attitudes a particular private school espouses. However, it’s easy to see the allure vouchers hold when you’ve worked in as many struggling schools as I’ve was in my last years in DCSS.

  2. Just Watch
    November 30, 2010 at 11:06 pm

    Your KMS analogy is semi-correct. Those principals were mostly worried about their test scores.

    I am gravely concerned that DeKalb has lost sight of its neighborhood schools. I am to the point where if asked, I would vote for vouchers. DeKalb seems to place the most emphasis and resources on those who make a choice.

    It is tiresome.

  3. Dekalbite
    November 30, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    @ Just Watch
    I agree with you, however it is a poor parent who would sacrifice their child on the altar of their beliefs. This occurs everywhere although it may be more detrimental in S. Dekalb. I taught for Fernbank Elementary, a great neighborhood school, for a decade. When Kittredge stopped having the lottery limit 2 kids per school, Fernbank’s 4th grade class immediately lost 17 of their top scoring students to Kittredge. Oak Grove, Austin and Vanderlyn, all noted as being some of the highest achieving schools in DCSS, lost their top students in droves a parents rushed to send their kids to Kittredge rather than leave them in the neighborhood schools. The Oak Grove principal even spoke at a BOE meeting to try to get the BOE to revert back to the 2 student per school concept because he said it was devastating to Oak Grove test scores to lose so many students to Kittredge. He said Oak Grove needed them back.

    DCSS does need to hire stronger and better principals, and they need to sick with them and support them – not let them go at the drop of a hat or the first parent complaint. Last year the DeKalb School of the Arts principal was congratulated on being the longest lasting principal continuously at a school – she had been at DSA only 8 years (and this is out of 150+ schools and centers). That’s really telling about our principal turnover.

  4. Just Watch
    November 30, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    It isn’t the facility at Arabia Mountain, it is the self selecting student population. They have motivated parents who most likely motivate their kids.

    What bothers me is that more than segregation, I think all the choice programs are killing the other schools in S. DeKalb. By removing most of the motivated parents and students, you are left with a student and parent population with no models.

    I do know that DCSS must hire stronger and better principals. That is for certain.

  5. Dekalbite
    November 28, 2010 at 12:01 am

    @ Why
    This is not surprising. I taught gifted students for over a decade in DCSS. Intelligence does not respect income, gender, race, or culture. Intellectually, these students race ahead of the rest of us and create constructs we cannot understand. We need scientists and mathematicians so desperately in this country. Arabia Mountain is a wonderful atmosphere for these high achieving students.

  6. Why?
    November 27, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    The level of academics at Arabia Mountain High School, which is almost all African-American, is pretty darn fantastic. Maybe it’s easier with a college-type facility where any teacher would want to work. Still, it’s almost all black and they student body is achieving very well.

  7. jazzman
    November 24, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    “Heads in the sand” just makes the Republicans’ work that much easier. It is certainly not looked on kindly when white folks point out such simple things as black children’s belief that being “black” means you aren’t required to sit, listen, and think. This, of course, is a by-product of hypersegregated culture, not skin color, but the Republicans down here don’t have to worry too much about such subtle distinctions. South Dekalb may have already reached the tipping point — it is becoming a vast suburban slum with failing schools, poor public services, high crime, and a substantial number of people trapped in underwater mortgages who see their children losing social mobility. The difference between the new black plight and its inner-city predecessor is that social decay in the suburbs is very, very easy to ignore.

  8. jazzman
    November 24, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    If you take schools in south Dekalb as an example, there is clearly a deep, ongoing crisis of education that is slowly but surely eating away at the black middle class. Take those same kids and put them in a school like Lakeside or Dunwoody and the number that will be disruptive will far exceed the number that will benefit from the new environment. In fact, when the more advanced ones are exposed to what they would call a “white” classroom environment they usually see just how far behind they are. I am not sure how to address these issues without addressing the racial and cultural questions that people seem to do their best to avoid.

    • November 24, 2010 at 6:18 pm

      I think that was the deeper implication in that blog by Maureen Downey. There are some really tough questions that need to be asked. Sadly, no one wants to ask them. Putting our heads in the sand will only make things worse.

  9. Just Watch
    November 21, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    The blog was actually an argument against the many posters on the Get Schooled blog who blast APS schools.

    It was actually a pretty silly opinion to advance.

    • November 22, 2010 at 7:26 pm

      Yes, but there were other angles one could read from the post. From my vantage point, the question has to be asked. if White students can achieve in seemingly dysfunctional school systems, why can’t all students achieve some measure of success. The fact is, and no one can dispute this, that black students are underachieving in large numbers in school systems across the metro. We have to ask ourselves why is that so. Is it parental, is it environmental, is it cultural, or is it some other problem. You cannot possibly advance a solution if you have no clear understanding of the problem.

  10. Why?
    November 20, 2010 at 12:39 am

    “Add the black students to the equation, and the systems take a nose dive.”

    Where in the article does it say anything about this? Paranoid much?

    • November 22, 2010 at 7:28 pm

      See reply below.

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